March 25, 2013

To his friend while discussing the choosing of one's battles....


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  1. Mwahahahaha, "pretty good". You're a gigantic asshole with a hate-boner for Alan Moore.

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    1. ...What? You can recognize Watchmen as a masterpiece and simultaneously think that Before Watchmen was, while superfluous, pretty good in itself, you know. This doesn't disparage Alan Moore.

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    2. Anyone who says BW was "pretty good" only looked at the pictures.

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    3. ^Because, you know, everyone has exactly the same taste as everyone else, so anyone who disagrees must not be paying attention.

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    4. Please elucidate on what you liked about the writing of Before Watchmen.

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    5. I haven't read them. The point is, however, irrelevant. It's a matter of taste. Yours differs from other people - what a shock. My point - and it astounds me that I have to clarify this - is that just because you don't like it doesn't mean that people who do "only looked at the pictures". Clearly, they see something in it that you don't. I simply find it irritating when someone treats matters of taste as though theirs were the only valid opinion.

      Just to be clear: it's not.

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    6. If you haven't read it, then you have no place in the conversation. With the exception of the one remaining issue of the Comedian, I have read it. [No, I didn't pay for it] Not even taking into account the outright contradictions of Moore's original work, the writing on BW is very poor. I could go into excruciating detail as to why, but I'm sure the carefree DC enablers like you don't want to hear it.

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    7. Believe me, Junior, none of us here doubt that you could go into excruciating detail about comics. And none of us are surprised you didn't pay for the comics you read.

      On the other hand, Mr. Tim is no doubt thrilled that the subjects of his comics actually follow his work.

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    8. The writing varied, but Nite Owl and Silk Specter were great. And Dr Manhattan. And Moloch, too. The first meeting of the Owl and Rorschach was precious.
      Comedian could be better, though.

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    9. And then we wonder why there is evil in the world.

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    10. Thanks for chiming in from a position of total ignorance, Diane, to offer us the most useless platitude imaginable and thereby making yourself your own imagined strawman.

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    11. Dude. I think you forgot to take your medicine. You're raving again.

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    12. Dude. Is that all you got? Dude.

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    13. Of course not. I could also suggest shock treatment. They say it works wonders.

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    14. Shock Treatment, while an inferior sequel to The Rocky Horror Picture Show, was orchestrated by the creators of TRHPS, Richard O'Brien and Jim Sharman.

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  2. I suppose the answer was "... no. This never happened. THIS NEVER HAPPENED! STOP RETCONNING MY LIFE!"
    And yeah, Before Watchmen was pretty good.

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  3. I'd like to see an actual "Before Watchmen," involving Alan Moore drinking heavily while screaming about random conspiracy theories.

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  4. First off, Before Watchmen wasn't even close to "pretty good." Second, I used to spend over $100 a month on comics before BW started. Now, I'm down to about $10 a month. So the argument could be made that the world did indeed end.

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    1. It's you! You're the Valued Customer.

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  5. I enjoy when people talk about (especially in my Store) how much they don't spend on comics. They are on the same level as the people that come in and say, loudly, "They STILL make Magic cards?!?". Yes, yes they do. Just because YOU stopped playing WotC didn't close up shop. If you don't like comics anymore then go do something else and shut up about it already.

    Also, BW was pretty good. Certainly it wasn't bad enough to make one cancel all of their unrelated comic purchases.

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    1. It's existence was enough for me to realize that I think of comics in a very different way from DC, and I have drastically decreased my purchases from them as a result of that.

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    2. You think way deeper about this than I do. If I didn't like Animal Man or Swamp Thing I wouldn't stop buying Batman. Maybe I'm the crazy one but I just buy the books I like and don't buy the books I don't like.

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    3. How are your comics sales doing? As good as five years ago?

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    4. They might just be genuinely surprised MTG is still going after 20 years, not everyone keeps up to date with every hobby they used to enjoy.

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    5. "If you don't like comics anymore then go do something else and shut up about it already."

      I still like comics. The problem is comics don't like me anymore.

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    7. Comics don't like creators anymore, either (but then they only really did for a brief period in the 1980s). When the day inevitably comes that we hear the sad money/health stories of the hacks and whores who worked on BW, I'm going to find it a little more difficult to shed a tear.

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    8. "You think way deeper about this than I do."

      It's amazing that you consider this some kind of takedown. Proud to be stupid as a debating tactic. Simply incredible.

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    9. It's actually kinda scary how Magic keeps on going. Everyone thought the game was going to die back in 2000. Then they thought the game would die in 2005. Now it's the most popular it's been in years.

      I blame witchcraft.

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  6. For me, the quality of "Before Watchmen" is irrelevant. Their very existence is bad. They represent DC's bad faith in upholding their contract with Alan Moore. No amount of quality can change the fact that DC found a way to screw over the writer who gave them one of their most profitable books.

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    1. Heat hear. They could be the worse or best comics ever, and neither would make a difference, they should not have been made. Period. And yes, world didn't end. But plenty of people stopped buying DC comics and a few people stopped working for them.

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    2. Why don't you guys put on your helments with 451 on them and start working? I'm sure it will cheer you up!

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    3. Who in this comment thread advocated government censorship, you bumbling reddit league cretin?

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  7. You'd have to be a total clown to consider Before Watchmen a worthwhile project on any level. Not even the talent involved gave enough of a shit to do any research whether it was (re)reading the original or exploring any of the real world nods and inspirations involved. And that's not even going into how vile and exploitative most of the stories or character explorations were. Everyone loves a rapist, I guess.

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    1. Because in Watchmen, the story and the characters were so nice and cuddly, and one of the main characters totally wasn't a rapist. Yep. That's how it all was.

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    2. Quote me ever suggesting that.

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    3. Especially Sally Jupiter.

      Oh snap!

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  8. Some of you people really should seek help...not trying to be insulting, I just really do think you could benefit from talking to a professional.

    There's a difference between not liking a product that's being put out and...this. It's legitimately troubling.

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    1. "and... this"

      Allow me to fill in the blank for you. There's a difference between not liking a product that's being put out and having a basic grasp on the concept of showing respect for comics creators, the comics industry and the comics artform. It's legitimately troubling when the people in charge of one of the largest comics publishing houses doesn't have that basic grasp.

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    2. Right. Because hating comics, as well as authors, publishers and readers of those comics, is totally showing respect for the industry and for the artform. Totally.
      Seriously, dude. Medication.

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    3. The authors of Watchmen are Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons. Seriously. Dude.

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    4. Okay, are you ready to learn the greatest, darkest secret of your life? Really? Ready now?
      Before Watchmen had authors, too.
      Fascinating, isn't it? It sure is.

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    5. Before Watchmen had architects, not authors. Then it also had hacks and whores who served as its perpetrators. If you cannot discern the difference, it is you who needs a lesson.

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  9. To the guy in the comic strip: No. I don’t remember that.

    I might have been able to get past the ghoulishness of the premise itself if the quality had been good, but it wasn’t. So it’s the worst of both worlds.

    The only acceptable part of Before Watchmen was the art and lettering in the Night Owl series. I bought the first three issues.

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  10. These comments are so awful I'm dropping this feed.

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    1. Don't let the door hit you.

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  11. The large majority of them outright sucked. When they started coming out with comics for characters like Dollar Bill it was too obvious a soulless mining and dilution of a seminal work (and brand).

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