Actually knowing Whedon, Wasp will get raped or murdered before the movie's end to get the Avengers to stop fighting each other and fight the real bad guy instead.
What I don't get is the Whedon fans = nerds connection. Fantastic elements aside, Joss Whedon's actual stories and characters are about as mainstream as you can get.
Whedon is an AMAZING writer and has the ability to create layered characters that are more believable than a lot of others out there. As for nerds liking a comic book movie...well, DUH!
Since we're having a Whedon debate, I'll chime in with Whedon is funny. As in spit-coffee-on-my-monitor situational funny. And that's why he's awesome.
I always hear Whedon haters talking about how much of a hack he is, and how mediocre he is. Never actually heard an actual reason why.
Personally, I'm pretty excited to see an ensemble comic book movie by someone who's actually written a pretty AWESOME ensemble comic book, Astonishing X-Men.
If you don't like what Whedon has done, that's you, stop trying to convince people that like his work that they're somehow wrong because they don't share your opinion.
Personally, in my opinion, it breaks down like this: Nerds get straight As. Geeks are obsessed with something left of mainstream. Dorks have all of the weaknesses of both, and none of the strengths. Trolls must be killed in order to get to the next dungeon. Your Princess is in another castle.
If you don't like something that people have expressed affection for somewhere online, go write it on a bathroom stall next to a swastika an F off. You are not more valid, nor are your opinions, because they are here. It's easy to flame and make people doubt themselves, it's easy to hate things that are popular because you are trying to hard to be different in order to rationalize your own solitude. It's hard to be a part of something, isn't it? Guess what, Troll. WE DON'T WANT YOU IN IMAGINARY SPACE, EITHER.
Jeff, how's this for a reason - Whedon's range as a writer is horrendously limited (the only other writer I can think of who has even less range is Kevin Smith). Watch enough of his work and it all gets rather samey. He needs to branch out some more, otherwise his fans will start getting bored with his work.
I used to be a big Whedon fan, but I just grew tired of the way he writes mental illness as kooky wakiness, also his dialogue is so fucking awkward and forced. And he loves to fridge female characters.
But at the very least, he's both a fan and a writer who will bring some passion to the movie.
Ogre seems to have really let himself go since his fraternity days
ReplyDeleteWas he really wearing a Watchmen shirt when he said that?
ReplyDeleteHe's a hater, not a lover.
ReplyDelete"Knowing him"
ReplyDeleteUh-huh.... yeah, I'm sure "Watchman shirt/drooly-guy" here is best buds with Whedon.
Yes it will be about love. The love of awesome. (I hope)
ReplyDeleteActually knowing Whedon, Wasp will get raped or murdered before the movie's end to get the Avengers to stop fighting each other and fight the real bad guy instead.
ReplyDeleteWhedon isn't Jeff Loeb...
ReplyDeleteNERDS LOVING A SUPER HERO FILM?! Madness.
ReplyDeleteAnd then you fell down choking on the irony, right?
ReplyDeleteActually, if it's Whedon the heroes will pause every fifteen minutes to doubt themselves before kicking it into even higher gear.
ReplyDeleteOr Michael Bay, where it's all about love and then everything explodes.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know Jon Favreau shopped at your store.
ReplyDeleteHe complained about nerds in comic store. Huh.
ReplyDeleteTrying so hard to keep calm. . . how could ANYONE talk about Joss that way?!
ReplyDeleteWow, Pixie's comment alone almost deserves a strip.
ReplyDeletePretty easily: Whedon is a terrible hack.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't get is the Whedon fans = nerds connection. Fantastic elements aside, Joss Whedon's actual stories and characters are about as mainstream as you can get.
ReplyDeletePixie: he's a one trick pony. Its a good trick, but its been overdone now.
ReplyDeleteI guess you could actually see the movie first, right? And then judge the shit out of it? I mean, we do that anyway, so...
ReplyDeleteWhedon is a mediocre writer but not for the flimsy reasons this cretin is suggesting.
ReplyDelete"Love is dumb and stupid and for... babies...
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I'M SO ALONE! *sob*"
Whedon is an AMAZING writer and has the ability to create layered characters that are more believable than a lot of others out there. As for nerds liking a comic book movie...well, DUH!
ReplyDeleteSince we're having a Whedon debate, I'll chime in with Whedon is funny. As in spit-coffee-on-my-monitor situational funny. And that's why he's awesome.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, nerds will love it.
Damned haters.
I always hear Whedon haters talking about how much of a hack he is, and how mediocre he is. Never actually heard an actual reason why.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I'm pretty excited to see an ensemble comic book movie by someone who's actually written a pretty AWESOME ensemble comic book, Astonishing X-Men.
If you don't like what Whedon has done, that's you, stop trying to convince people that like his work that they're somehow wrong because they don't share your opinion.
Personally, in my opinion, it breaks down like this: Nerds get straight As. Geeks are obsessed with something left of mainstream. Dorks have all of the weaknesses of both, and none of the strengths. Trolls must be killed in order to get to the next dungeon. Your Princess is in another castle.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't like something that people have expressed affection for somewhere online, go write it on a bathroom stall next to a swastika an F off. You are not more valid, nor are your opinions, because they are here. It's easy to flame and make people doubt themselves, it's easy to hate things that are popular because you are trying to hard to be different in order to rationalize your own solitude. It's hard to be a part of something, isn't it? Guess what, Troll. WE DON'T WANT YOU IN IMAGINARY SPACE, EITHER.
@Doug: Did you just troll about trolling ? :D
ReplyDeleteI fukken love Joss Whedon! GRRL power!
ReplyDeleteJeff, how's this for a reason - Whedon's range as a writer is horrendously limited (the only other writer I can think of who has even less range is Kevin Smith). Watch enough of his work and it all gets rather samey. He needs to branch out some more, otherwise his fans will start getting bored with his work.
ReplyDeleteI used to be a big Whedon fan, but I just grew tired of the way he writes mental illness as kooky wakiness, also his dialogue is so fucking awkward and forced. And he loves to fridge female characters.
ReplyDeleteBut at the very least, he's both a fan and a writer who will bring some passion to the movie.