yes. now is the time for us to celebrate the many wonderful accomplishments of [some overpaid hack] and [some useless celebrity]. the praise that they deserve is long overdue.
Deadpool only got interesting long after Liefeld had nothing to do with him. Liefeld still draws and writes poorly. It took someone else to make his concept interesting with actual ideas, not just an assemblage of cool-sounding 'traits'.
I have often compared Rob Liefeld's art to a meal at White Castle. You're not going to mistake it for 5-star cuisine anytime soon, and having some everyday would probably kill you, but every now and then when it's 3 in the morning, it hits the spot.
I find it odd that Liefeld is best remembered for his contributions to the Marvel universe but his Awesome Entertainment line of books so closely rips off DC it is downright uncanny.
I'm a published author, a published artist, I perform as a musician, and a stage performer. I've taught workshops on the history of American music, and co-authored a college textbook on the same subject. I also won a no-prize back in the 1970s, have performed as a paid guest at Dragon Con, and have appeared on radio and television.
So, having actually done something, I exercise my right to shit on Rob Liefield.
It's a terrible argument against criticism. The basic concept of criticism isn't "I [the criticizer] could do better than that", it's "You [the creator] should be able to do better than that".
That argument (the one you're against, not the one you're making) is about as valid as Worthington's Law is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbU4VRs2rro
The "let's see you do better" argument is the worst argument against criticism. If it was a valid argument nobody would be allowed to criticize anything. I mean, how many film critics have actually made an Oscar-winning movie? How many literary critics have actually written a New York Times Bestseller? If they don't have to, why should we?
That's an entirely different situation. I'm talking about creative works. You need training to be an effective surgeon, while nobody needs to be a creative genius to have a fucking OPINION on a creative work.
The only good things to come from Rob Liefeld are Alan Moore's run on Supreme, Brandon Graham & Co.'s run on Prophet, and Keatinge and Campbell's run on Glory.
Ah, the ancient philosophical question of "Is it better to draw as shitty as Rob Liefeld or to jam your hand in the garbage disposal so that you never draw as shittily as Rob Liefeld?"
I think he gets way too much hate for basically being on par with every other mainstream super hero creator in the early 90's. I was never a fan of his, but I suspect his most vocal critics were when they were twelve.
Yeah, Liefeld can't draw. But from what I've heard of him, he's a really nice guy. So I always feel bad when people really hate on him. That doesn't mean you can't criticize his art, but the guy isn't rubbing how 'great' he is into anyone's face.
Kim Kardashian is on television. Has a very successful show. Dare I say she has done more in her life than anyone posting here has done. Point being, she is shit. Michael Bay has done more than any of you as well. Because stupid people buy your bullshit does not make one great. It just means there are stupid people willing to buy tour bullshit.
well, for what it is worth, i have read rob liefeld remarking in retrospect that he knows he & the other image founders were not the best artists working in comics, and they simply seized the opportunity to cash in on their own popularity just like anybody would. hey, as long as he knows he's not the best & he's brave enough to admit that much, i'm mostly willing to leave it at that.
I do hate when people who are lazy and never do anything always bitch about what others do, but at the same time it's still baffling to me how Liefeld has gotten so much work when his stuff is so shoddy and there are literally thousands of much more talented people than him working in the industry. I wouldn't say that _I'm_ more talented than him, but plenty of people are, and they should get the work.
yes. now is the time for us to celebrate the many wonderful accomplishments of [some overpaid hack] and [some useless celebrity]. the praise that they deserve is long overdue.
ReplyDeleteDeadpool only got interesting long after Liefeld had nothing to do with him. Liefeld still draws and writes poorly. It took someone else to make his concept interesting with actual ideas, not just an assemblage of cool-sounding 'traits'.
ReplyDeleteIn some cases it's probably better to not have done something than to have done anything.
ReplyDeleteAt this point I'd be willing to have Rob paid to NOT draw or write ever again.
ReplyDeleteYou mean he was the first person to say "What if Spider-man had Wolverine's healing factor, 200 leg pouches, and 25 giant rectangular guns?"
ReplyDeleteI love some Rob Liefeld. I wish Marvel would publish the Killraven book that he and Kirkman did.
ReplyDeleteI have often compared Rob Liefeld's art to a meal at White Castle. You're not going to mistake it for 5-star cuisine anytime soon, and having some everyday would probably kill you, but every now and then when it's 3 in the morning, it hits the spot.
ReplyDeleteI have also compared his art to White Castle. Or, at least, to what happens a half-hour after I eat White Castle.
DeleteI find it odd that Liefeld is best remembered for his contributions to the Marvel universe but his Awesome Entertainment line of books so closely rips off DC it is downright uncanny.
ReplyDeleteIt's valid criticism against criticism but it is a common argument against criticism.
ReplyDeleteYet, he's right. Who here actually does something? Rob is pretty creative and I refuse to just shit on him because he drew Captain America boobs.
I'm a published author, a published artist, I perform as a musician, and a stage performer. I've taught workshops on the history of American music, and co-authored a college textbook on the same subject. I also won a no-prize back in the 1970s, have performed as a paid guest at Dragon Con, and have appeared on radio and television.
DeleteSo, having actually done something, I exercise my right to shit on Rob Liefield.
It's a terrible argument against criticism. The basic concept of criticism isn't "I [the criticizer] could do better than that", it's "You [the creator] should be able to do better than that".
ReplyDeleteThat argument (the one you're against, not the one you're making) is about as valid as Worthington's Law is:
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbU4VRs2rro
I consider never having created Deadpool to be one of my greatest achievements...
ReplyDeleteUgh. Right there with ya, man. Seriously.
DeleteI'm better at my job than Rob Liefield is at his, I'm just not as successful.
ReplyDeleteThe "let's see you do better" argument is the worst argument against criticism. If it was a valid argument nobody would be allowed to criticize anything. I mean, how many film critics have actually made an Oscar-winning movie? How many literary critics have actually written a New York Times Bestseller? If they don't have to, why should we?
ReplyDeleteHow many people here have ever amputated an arm?
DeleteIs that an excuse for a surgeon amputating the wrong one?
That's an entirely different situation. I'm talking about creative works. You need training to be an effective surgeon, while nobody needs to be a creative genius to have a fucking OPINION on a creative work.
DeleteThe only good things to come from Rob Liefeld are Alan Moore's run on Supreme, Brandon Graham & Co.'s run on Prophet, and Keatinge and Campbell's run on Glory.
ReplyDeleteAnd also Image Comics as a whole and his very first run on Hawk&Dove with the Kesels.
DeleteAh, the ancient philosophical question of "Is it better to draw as shitty as Rob Liefeld or to jam your hand in the garbage disposal so that you never draw as shittily as Rob Liefeld?"
ReplyDeleteI think he gets way too much hate for basically being on par with every other mainstream super hero creator in the early 90's. I was never a fan of his, but I suspect his most vocal critics were when they were twelve.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Liefeld can't draw. But from what I've heard of him, he's a really nice guy. So I always feel bad when people really hate on him. That doesn't mean you can't criticize his art, but the guy isn't rubbing how 'great' he is into anyone's face.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't seen all the bitchy comments about old colleagues since he 'retired', then.
DeleteI had not. I take back what I said. Let him have it.
DeleteI'm not getting it. Rob Liefeld's better than this guy's friend because this guy's friend never inflicted himself on the comic-reading world...?
ReplyDeleteI love Rob Liefeld. His stuff is bad, but on such a grandiose level it's Ed Wood-esque.
ReplyDeleteHis stuff is always worth a read for a grand old time.
Nah I don't hate him, about his drawing...... that's other feeling.
ReplyDeleteKim Kardashian is on television. Has a very successful show. Dare I say she has done more in her life than anyone posting here has done. Point being, she is shit. Michael Bay has done more than any of you as well. Because stupid people buy your bullshit does not make one great. It just means there are stupid people willing to buy tour bullshit.
ReplyDeletewell, for what it is worth, i have read rob liefeld remarking in retrospect that he knows he & the other image founders were not the best artists working in comics, and they simply seized the opportunity to cash in on their own popularity just like anybody would. hey, as long as he knows he's not the best & he's brave enough to admit that much, i'm mostly willing to leave it at that.
DeleteI do hate when people who are lazy and never do anything always bitch about what others do, but at the same time it's still baffling to me how Liefeld has gotten so much work when his stuff is so shoddy and there are literally thousands of much more talented people than him working in the industry. I wouldn't say that _I'm_ more talented than him, but plenty of people are, and they should get the work.
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