Umm...I don't think he's wrong? There is the artist, then the inker, the letterer, the colorist, editors...Some people do the whole shebang themselves, but on most big company books you find a whole list of names either on the cover or inside it of the people who helped make it. Right?
This is true. I had never really given much thought to how it was done and was trying to think and type at the same time. I've been warned of this, much like the disasters that occur while I try to chew gum and walk.
Both of you (and some others here) seem to be missing the point. He's not talking about letterers, colorists, editors etc. He's talking about *comic artists* who *draw* comics.
Everyone who added a line to that page was drawing on it. If I roughed an outline of something on paper and three or four other guys came in and made it a picture, I could hardly even say I drew the thing. Plenty of illustrators out there actually lay down every bit of ink and color on that page, and some even write the story too. Jack roughed in some pencils.
There are actually several people who did artwork that were credited to Jack Kirby. This blogger http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/ did a great job of figuring out who some of these actual artists were through research and study.
He should try reading 2000 AD, where there's usually only ONE artist (no inker, no colourist) producing 24 pages of artwork a month. But his poor head would probably explode.
Hm... I must have hallucinated all those comic books by Will Eisner, Jim Starlin, Daniel Clowes, Peter Bagge, Los Bros Hernandez and the hundreds of other nobodies who write and draw comics by themselves.
I think maybe he tried to draw a whole comic once, was unable to finish it, and therefore thinks that no one else could draw an entire comic by him/her self, either.
To be fair he's probably exaggerating for effect. But there are not many modern day comic artists that are capable of producing 20 pages and a cover a month 12 months a year.
In Japan there is a Manga-ka (or comic creator ) who is often the writer and Artist, but they usually have 1-5 assistants working for them who do not get credit on the book..... but they often do a comic a WEEK, not every month.
Twelve to eighteen pages, sometimes twenty four. Not in color, but still done every week, often for YEARS with only the occasional short break. It's a wonder only a few ever seem to develop health problems and have to stop.
Besides the colorist, inker, letterer thing Marvel had what was known as the "Romita Raiders" who would go through artwork and making corrections until at least 2001. This became less common as digital submission has made it easier and faster to send artwork back and forth. There are also plenty of stories out there of artwork being fixed up and people being uncredited.
This independent comic author thinks you're stoopid.
ReplyDeleteUmm...I don't think he's wrong? There is the artist, then the inker, the letterer, the colorist, editors...Some people do the whole shebang themselves, but on most big company books you find a whole list of names either on the cover or inside it of the people who helped make it. Right?
ReplyDeleteYou, yourself, just said he is wrong. Some people do the whole thing themselves so his statement is incorrect.
DeleteThis is true. I had never really given much thought to how it was done and was trying to think and type at the same time. I've been warned of this, much like the disasters that occur while I try to chew gum and walk.
DeleteBoth of you (and some others here) seem to be missing the point. He's not talking about letterers, colorists, editors etc. He's talking about *comic artists* who *draw* comics.
DeleteHe's still an idiot, though.
Jack Kirby would've blown this poor boys mind!
ReplyDeleteHas he ever inked, lettered, and colored anything he's penciled?
DeleteThis guy said nothing about inking, lettering, or coloring. He said "draw".
DeleteEveryone who added a line to that page was drawing on it. If I roughed an outline of something on paper and three or four other guys came in and made it a picture, I could hardly even say I drew the thing. Plenty of illustrators out there actually lay down every bit of ink and color on that page, and some even write the story too. Jack roughed in some pencils.
DeleteThere are actually several people who did artwork that were credited to Jack Kirby. This blogger http://kirbymuseum.org/blogs/simonandkirby/ did a great job of figuring out who some of these actual artists were through research and study.
DeleteNobody actually wears Green Lantern shirts. They're actually really like, those things Mario jumps on for a boost.
ReplyDeleteso that's why i'm so overweight. i'm actually five people! i'm eating for five people so FUCK YOU DIET!
ReplyDeleteHe should try reading 2000 AD, where there's usually only ONE artist (no inker, no colourist) producing 24 pages of artwork a month. But his poor head would probably explode.
ReplyDeleteHm... I must have hallucinated all those comic books by Will Eisner, Jim Starlin, Daniel Clowes, Peter Bagge, Los Bros Hernandez and the hundreds of other nobodies who write and draw comics by themselves.
ReplyDeleteHah, get this guy some small press comics. Fred Perry has been writing/drawing/inking/coloring Gold Digger for 20 years on his own.
ReplyDeleteIf no one can draw by themselves, who helps Alex Ross do all that painting?
ReplyDeleteIn fairness, Rob Granito is at least that many.
ReplyDeleteI think maybe he tried to draw a whole comic once, was unable to finish it, and therefore thinks that no one else could draw an entire comic by him/her self, either.
ReplyDelete*applause* for the Granito comment.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair he's probably exaggerating for effect. But there are not many modern day comic artists that are capable of producing 20 pages and a cover a month 12 months a year.
ReplyDeleteIn Japan there is a Manga-ka (or comic creator ) who is often the writer and Artist, but they usually have 1-5 assistants working for them who do not get credit on the book..... but they often do a comic a WEEK, not every month.
ReplyDeleteTwelve to eighteen pages, sometimes twenty four. Not in color, but still done every week, often for YEARS with only the occasional short break. It's a wonder only a few ever seem to develop health problems and have to stop.
DeleteCar Barks Assemble!
ReplyDeleteBesides the colorist, inker, letterer thing Marvel had what was known as the "Romita Raiders" who would go through artwork and making corrections until at least 2001. This became less common as digital submission has made it easier and faster to send artwork back and forth. There are also plenty of stories out there of artwork being fixed up and people being uncredited.
ReplyDeletehttp://marvel.wikia.com/Romita_Raider